barrister Posted: Aug 5 2003, 09:48 PM
Assume scientific reasoning is a gift from God, not to be feared or shunned, but embraced and used to do His Work.
Assume cloning is such a use -- for purposes of dicsussion.
Assume the Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth of Christ.
Assume the blood on the shroud is that of our Lord.
Assume then man is able to clone the Lord from His DNA found on the shroud.
Is this then not a useful application of scientific reasoning to the benefit of mankind and the glory of God?
As Paul VI often said, "Let's engage in dialouge and see where it takes us."
Christina Posted: Aug 8 2003, 02:25 PM
First of all, to clone Jesusí DNA would be very sacrilegious. Why would anyone want to do something like that anyway? To bring Jesus back before the Second Coming? To prove that the Turin is in fact Jesus'? How do we know that if He is in fact cloned, He will have Divinity? Do you really think that God would allow us to create Him?
I donít believe that it is "a useful application of scientific reasoning to the benefit of mankind and the glory of God." I think its "playing God" and wrong. When its time for the Second Coming, then it'll happen. We can't make it sooner by cloning Jesus' DNA.
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LadyGrace Posted: Aug 16 2003, 05:17 PM
I can understand where given such great knowledge can be a gift, but in the wrong hands it can also spell disaster. And I have to agree with Christine,,,,,,,Jesus , is Lord,,,,,the one ,the only, and I really don't think he would look favorably on us cloning HIM. Nor , out of respect, would one want to clone HIM.
I realize that incredible strides could be made in the medical and research fields....but , can you imagine the nightmare if the cloning got into the "wrong" hands? It is very unsettling as to what could occur.
Personaly, I am very much against cloning;so, it will take a little longer to move from point A to point B, so be it........it is all in God's plan.
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Rich Posted: Aug 28 2003, 10:45 PM
What if we are successful in cloning Jesus? Assuming we are able to clone "bodies" we do not have any control over what soul enters those bodies, nor can we clone morals or philosphy into them. If we can make identical copies, they will be identical physically only. They will not have the same thoughts as the original, and may or may not share in the original's ideas and ideals, the whole nine yards, the clone may not even like the same flavor ice cream. Will this genetically identical copy or Our Lord also contain His divinity, His perfection, His perfect love for man? Of course not. This copy will not be Jesus II. What if this copy has moral or personality defects and only serves to bring shame on Our Lord and what He teaches us? What if he serves to drive people away from the original Jesus instead of bringing others closer to Him?
What if this really great looking, highly intelligent, copy who is also an extremely dynamic speaker, also has a mind of his own and decides that anyone who is not blonde, physically fit and caucasian, should not be allowed to live? While we are at it, why not create a whole army of clones of him? Never hurts to have a few spares, right? What if they decide they are the master race and anyone who is imperfect, including the elderly must be euthanised? What if an evil organization clones him to deceive the rest of the world in order to create an evil empire? What do we do with the inevitable "mistake clones" that will be produced while we perfect our craft? "....Sorry Lord, your clone will be on life support forever cause it did not develop properly and we goofed."?
Adam and Eve wanted to become like God too. Shall we make posterity pay for our sinfulness as a result of our wanting to become like God, as well? When we begin to play God by deciding who comes into the world and who dies and also when and how each occur, we have made ourselves a god. Anyone who truely wants to clone others has made himself a God and violated the commandment "You shall have no other gods before me" Like abortion, euthanasia, etc. cloning is objectively evil in itself. As in the case of surrogate mothers and certain fertility procedures, you cannot use evil to bring about a good. Scientific achievment does not give us a license to sin. Who decided that cloning was for God's glory? those who want it? The argument that this would be a "useful application of scientific reasoning to the benefit of mankind and the glory of God" is highly subjective at best.
When something is intrinsically evil in itself, from a standpoint of the Church, there can be no "dialogue".
The Church rightly condemns cloning. And quite frankly, I find the notion of cloning Jesus absurd, sacriligious and blasphemous.
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Bonnie Posted: Jan 4 2004, 04:00 PM
The problem is that cloning is happening. Somewhere in this world there is a government who is seeing long term benefits from raising quality physical specimens for the purpose of war.
The only defense I know is prayer that God's will be done in this area. We are helpless to stop countries that don't recognize or honor God from following their own paths. We could stop supporting these countries economically but how to prove that this is going on? Pray for our intelligence teams. Pray for the countries that we live in to recognize and honor God. And be confident that He hears our prayers.
Sylvia Posted: Jan 30 2005, 01:39 AM
God is the creator and has reasons for making us all different. Cloning flies in the face of God's creative powers. As for cloning Jesus, I think that would be blasphemous.